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OneShot360 lens ...

According to someone terribly hepful at 'remotereality', they have stopped manufacturing the OneShot360 to (quote)'concentrate on the military markets'(unquote). I wonder, did anyone buy or try this 360 lens? Can we assume that the 360 market did warrant any further investment by 'remotereality'? Is there anything similar on the market today?

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Re: OneShot360 lens ...

Stuart
RemoteReality was probably reselling/rebranding the same One-Shot System www.Kaidan.com has.

Take a look at their "360 One VR" product at http://www.kaidan.com/Detail.bok?no=101

Douglas Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

Remote Reality was one of the first providers of one shot mirror systems in the modern digital era (note the use of parabolic mirrors and photography goes very far back, almost to the beginning of Photography.)

When I started shooting VT's for real estate, the Remote Reality mirror system was the only one around. Their design went through about 3 or 4 iterations with the final one being used to produce 360 by 180 views (mirror system was placed on it's side in a special holder and four shots were taken.)

But, like many of the other mirror companies they over estimated the demand (they could not get many realtor's to buy it) and they got out of the business of selling to end users and went after more lucrative markets like 360 video surveillance and other security type systems. Behere, did the same thing.

The Remote Reality mirror was not purchased from someone else, but a custom and patented design. The mirrors were made in Chicago by a small optics company. The downsize and upside to there design was a 90 vertical FOV split 15 degrees up and 75 down. This produces a "downward looking" VT which some people do not like, others do as it's much harder to spin out of control like in iPIX or any full 360 by 180 presentation. The upside to this design - compared to other more evenly split mirrors was two fold. One, it could be turned upside down and then it became an upward looking system - useful for interesting ceilings within the limits of any mirror system. And by limiting the vertical FOV it's much easier to put the entire vertical FOV in full sharp focus. The Kaidan and 0-360 mirrors with there 110-120 vertical FOV have a real issue with most setups of getting the entire vertical FOV in sharp focus. You usually have to choose either the top or bottom of the FOV to be in sharp focus but not both.

I still have two of the RR mirrors systems. I'm selling one of them: a second or third generation design - light plastic body, but keeping the original heavy metal one as a interesting display item.

At one time there were at least 6 mirrors companies in the VT business. Not counting a few from the far east, it's now down to EGG (worst of them all) and the 0-360 and Kaidan.

Regards,

Robert

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

Robert
I think IVRPA should designate you the "official one-shot system" expert.

You probably know more about them than the rest of us combined

Douglas Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

Thanks Douglas,

I'm sure however that there are many members that know a lot about mirror systems too as they are a big part of today's real estate for sale shoots. They just make too much sense for the high volume world of faster, cheaper, good enough.

If I was still shooting real estate in any kind of volume way I would still be using mirrors and perhaps a bit of smoke :)

I've raised my prices at this point to such a degree that only a very few realtor's that fully understand the value of how quality sells use me. My typical real estate client now is for very high end properties or massive developments where my price is easy to justify across many sales. And a few, very few, that just value the art of photography and want to give a gift of quality to their clients.

Like iPIX, mirrors have a market that they fit. I'm happy to have both of those in my past, but benefited from my travel down those roads as I learn what's gotten me to where I am. This year real estate for sale is less than 20% of my business, yahoo!

Regards,

Robert

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

I think you've got an edge on them.

Or at least me. I didn't know there was more than one actual manufacturer.

I've been moving up-scale and price recently too, especially with still photos. I'm getting really good with the latest version of Photomatix Pro and Realtors who list higher priced homes are willing to pay more for them.

And two homebuilders have seen them and want to update their websites with my photos, instead of just elevations. One is small customer builde but the other is pretty big locally and has 11 different subdivision, so like you say, they can justify paying more for better work.

Douglas Aurand
Albuquerque, NM

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

Gentlemen,

Many thanks for your highly comprehensive answers.

I was only asking as taking multiple shots in a crowd can lead to 'ghosting' and double exposure of individuals (tho against the traffic normally sorts that one out). I have a project on coming up which involves people and was looking for a solution to the above problem. Could a 'one shot' lens be the answer?

On the Kadian site, their own 360 one shot lens is illustrated with a few QTVRs but I've noticed that the examples are partial VRs and not full 360's: the top and bottom of each is blocked. Is this typical of the medium or do they produce full 360s? Should I consider investing on a one shot lens or continue with the high quality multi-shot system I have become accustomed to?

Thanks again and please be as honest as you like!

Regards,

Stuart

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

"Could a 'one shot' lens be the answer?

No

"do they produce full 360s"

Not really, typical limit of 110 or less vertical FOV

"or continue with the high quality multi-shot system I have become accustomed to?"

Yes

as honest as

Re: OneShot360 lens ...

True to your word.

One shot 360 out of sight and out of mind.

Thank you!