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or in other words, the previous BoD is now shielded from having to answer for any financial irregularities or even self-serving questions the members may have. we will probably never learn how Vienna was mismanaged with financial irregularities of epic proportions for the IVRPA (other than a small mentioning at the last members meeting in belfast), we will never hear about the extensive travel reimbursements the BoD had approved for themself without returning a benefit for the members. We will probably never hear what the actual financial status the org was/is in, since the 2019 BoD has wisely covered themself behind an NDA, so they don’t have to answer to members anymore, can now claim that any inquiry into the BoD dealings are now privileged information, not suitable for members. great choices. congrats.
Tanja, there is a huge difference between signing a NDA for a video production, where the actual client is insisting on having an NDA for everybody, and a non-profit org like the IVRPA. Bringing it up in this fashion is really just a false-equivalency argument.
I do agree with Kyle, I think the tendency over the last years to keep things secret from the members as escalated now to a point where NDA’s are necessary. it is in my (obviously worthless) opinion that this is a step into the exact wrong direction. There never has been “one voice” for the BoD, it has always been multiple opinions and multiple possible solutions to a problem, with BoD members connecting to members and the public.
In more practical terms, the NDA now shields 2019 BoD members from any scrutiny about mismanagement that happened in the years prior to 2020, and is basically a blanket Persilschein.
totally the wrong direction, completely unnecessary…
Matt, I appreciate your kind words, and I know from personal experience how important it is to pour your heart and passion into building and supporting an org like the IVRPA, even if the 2020 conference is moved to 2021. Schrader’s Persilschein was just what broke the last straw, not what he did to this beloved community in the last years. It was always my pleasure to contribute to the IVRPA community, and work with the conference organizers to make this happen in a meaningful way. I’ll hope that sometime in the future I will rejoin the IVRPA and contribute again. I will also continue to support any positive efforts of the IVRPA towards rebuilding the community and adding positive and meaningful advice from the outside.
My first advice would be re-opening the dialog with the community, start as individuals, to the public, let them know what you guys are doing, what is happening, even if it is just small steps, or small messages, in as many channels as possible. In other words, show that the IVRPA has a pulse, that it is not dead and quiet.
Given the “Persilschein” Mr. Schrader got from Loren, absolving him by decree from any wrongdoing (which is not necessarily the opinion of what many members think of this matter), and removing him from the need to have any consequences to his (misguided) actions, I did cancel my membership and my sponsorship. I can’t sponsor an org and don’t want to be part of an org that doesn’t give a single @#&$ about its members and sponsors.
Joergen, let yourself be elected to the board. Then you can decide that. If not, let the board sort it out. It’s kind of annoying. Sorry.
I am sorry that I am annoying, but without outside involvement from members, this issue will not be solved by the board itself, at least that’s how it looks like to the outside.
Can the new BoD please post the minutes from 2020 asap? I can see the apparent backlog of minutes from 2019 (which i can not condone as a member), but i think 2020 should be a fresh start, with minutes posted in a very timely fashion.
it is January 2020, and there has been no word about Mr. Schrader resigning yet. I do think that BoD members, and especially the president need to answer for their actions. Simply “sweeping its under the rug” can and should not be a solution. I guess we will have a very “interesting” members meeting coming up during the next conference.
the request for Juergen Schrader to resign has nothing to do with “website discussions”, it is a fundamental question for the president of an org to resign due to the reasons listed above. this is a very very public subject, and should never ever be moved into a private subforum where nobody sees it. it needs to be seen by everybody, members and non-members, including potentially new members.
An informal, unofficial and incomplete quick poll among some IVRPA members showed a very strong public opinion for Juergen Schrader’s immediate resignation. The numbers are about 4 in favor of Juergen Schrader not resigning, and 44 are in favor of the immediate resignation of Juergen Schrader (8% vs 92% as of Dec 5, 2019).
I applaud the BoD for removing the statement of the president from Dec 2, 2019, although it took a bit longer than expected.
I am still waiting for a new post announcing the resignation of Juergen Schrader from the BoD, since it was his name under the very unwise statement that almost got the organization into legal jeopardy. If I interpret the rumors correctly, Juergen Schrader (as IVRPA president) approved to pay a PR agency about $1400 (or €?) to draft the statement, plus an unknown sum for a lawyer. I find this a wasteful expenditure of IVRPA membership dues (incl mine), and Juergen Schrader has to bear the responsibility for this action and resign from the BoD immediately.
Those are very good points: I would say “networking” and “education” was covered with the belfast conference, all the other stuff, not so much, IMO.
I am hopeful the new board can breathe some new life into the mission statement, which is still overall valid.
I did ask for this during the last member meeting in belfast. It would be nice to actually see something ‘for our money’
Please arrange for an election asap
Bill is not alone in his opinion, many members and sponsors, incl me, share the same feeling about the current president. Bill just happens to be a generally super nice and easy-going person, and it takes quite a bit of work to offend him. still, it has been accomplished. it even came up in the lengthy FB discussion. I will most likely follow Bill’s footsteps since I can’t recommend being an IVRPA member to anybody anymore as a current sponsor, with the current “leadership” in place.
I have Skype open and waiting for call.
What happened? Did Lauren finally join the BoD call on Oct 4?October 1, 2019 at 5:10 pm in reply to: Being sued for virtual tour patent — IVRPA referenced. Real or Scam? #23146
I would suggest to first look into any relationship between the actual owner of the ‘400 patent, and whoever is making a claim to “own” it.September 30, 2019 at 2:24 pm in reply to: Being sued for virtual tour patent — IVRPA referenced. Real or Scam? #23120
Scott Witte is/was the lead on the ‘400 project. you can see more at http://archive.ivrpa.org/patent
Update (Sept 22, 2019): The BoD notes I was referring to above are gone: the last posted note is from April 2019, leaving the membership with 5 (five) months of undocumented BoD meetings.
This leaves us members/sponsors with two conclusions:
1. no official BoD meetings happened (which is hard to believe, and probably against the bylaws, and/or showing the the BoD is completely inactive at the moment)
2. the BoD neglected to post notes from meetings (also probably against the bylaws or at least common sense)
I would love to hear why Karyn’s reply to my first post in this thread is gone, and if there is in progress in moving forward.
I am looking at the 3 most recent BoD notes: July 3, July 24 and Sept 6, 2019.
The July 3 notes have 12 topics listed, the first 6 have some sparse notes below, topics 7-12 are not elaborated at all. similar patterns in the next ones, and the same for the prior notes.
It is next to impossible for members to follow along what the BoD does or talks about. Topics are rarely “closed”, no final agreement or decision is made, or at least noted in the BoD notes. Topics are started “out of the blue” and then dropped and never mentioned again. Some topics are not mentioned at all.
Since the BoD notes are the record-keeping instrument of the organization, this is very bad service for the membership, in any regard. i would suggest to adhere to a more stringent structure of the meetings and the resulting notes instead of free-wheeling chats. this can be done as collaborative note taking, as well as “previous topic, updates, ongoing, resolved” and “new topic, problem, solution, assignment, resolve” structures.
Looking at discussions happening amongst IVRPA members, many topics that matter to the members are not even talked about.