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[Jürgen Schrader]

Loren Price wrote:

NOW I AM YELLING!

CALL ELECTIONS NOW!!

AND STEP ASIDE.

What’s next?
Beating?
Shooting?

[Jürgen Schrader]

Loren Price wrote:

I’m assuming this goes back to Las Vegas when they abruptly pulled out of the conference. After a conversation/communication with you, Jürgen.

What was said?

Read for yourself, start at the bottom.

I never understood the offending part, but obviously apologized right away.

Apologies never turned down and accepted.
thx
Bill

Bill Bailey L.L.C. | Nodal Ninja | iStar
3454 N. San Marcos Pl. #9, Chandler, AZ 85225
P: 480-659-9899 8am-12pm M-T-Th-F (MST)| F: 480-452-0452

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Jürgen Schrader wrote:

uh, oh, I apologize.
sheiks are very honorable people.
not sure what went wrong here and why you get offended.
probably my english is too bad to comfort you. will move back to technical terms.

i’m totally aware that you you are the most generous supporter of our association, and i do not understand why you think i don’t want to do you well.

i understand, and i promise you will not get any concessions.
instead we as always have guest tickets which currently are not in the booking system simply because willy forgot to update it with the prices we determined. they will be added soon and these are the preferred way to accomodate spouses. i was thinking about reducing the price for those that won’t attend full time, but as mentioned above i abstain and will not make any concessions.

our policies have not change since the last conference and there is no new system.
just different people now who had to jump in and who are doing their best to match all peculiarities.

enjoy your day
jürgen

Jürgen Schrader
Pütrichstr. 3a
D-85293 Reichertshausen
Telefon: +49-8441-794704
Mobil: +49-151-40036755
Dubai: +971-52-6395420

USt-ID Nr. DE230480994
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http://www.bavaria360.de
http://www.schrader-air.de/bavaria360
Am 05.03.14 09:42, schrieb Bill Bailey:
>
> Hey Jurgen,
> This is insulating metaphor. We do not seek special concessions. And I am offended that you view us as a sheik with their entourage. Apparently we do not seem to fitting into the program.
>
> We are large group and up to now have been very supportive of IVRPA. Your systems are not accommodating to spouses or those wishing only a dinner and a breakfast. Your base ticket price is $500 plus the mandatory membership fee for “everyone” even those that will never have anything to do with IVRPA after the event. In the past the IVRPA has been very accommodating to “everyone”. But we understand new management and protocols and we’re not ones to create added work for others.
>
> This is apparently a new system and you are in charge. We DO NOT want special concession. We do not want you to work “something out for us” if you do not do same for others, I’m not sure if things are getting lost in translation but there is always a condescending undertone to your verbiage.
>
> We’ll review the numbers “as they are” to determine if this venue is worth the expense in moving forward. Should we decide to withdrawal I hope our $2500 paid is also refundable.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
>
>
> Bill Bailey L.L.C. | Nodal Ninja | iStar
> 3454 N. San Marcos Pl. #9, Chandler, AZ 85225
> P: 480-659-9899 8am-12pm M-T-Th-F (MST)| F: 480-452-0452
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Jürgen Schrader wrote:
>
> oh my god, this is traveling like our sheiks here do, when they need a complete hotel floor for their entourage :-))
>
> for all others outside the 3 that are covered by your partner’s ticket, you may just purchase a regular conference ticket.
>
> but i think we can work out something for you, to cover those who are staff and spouses that will not participate in the conference. probably we can get it a bit cheaper than the regular guest ticket. no promise made, first let’s see what can be done.
>
> @willy
> please have a look at the numbers, days, and guests bill wants to bring and make a suggestion to the board what concessions we can make
>
> cheers
> jürgen
>
>
> Jürgen Schrader
> Pütrichstr. 3a
> D-85293 Reichertshausen
> Telefon: +49-8441-794704
> Mobil: +49-151-40036755
> Dubai: +971-52-6395420
>
> USt-ID Nr. DE230480994
> ============================
> http://www.bavaria360.de
> http://www.schrader-air.de/bavaria360
> Am 05.03.14 01:24, schrieb Bill Bailey:
>> Hey Jurgen,
>> Hate to bother you with this but I know Ayrton is busy with Carnival and the early bird tickets seem to be going fast.
>>
>> If you have a moment please advice on how best for us to buy these tickers for our team.
>>
>>
>> ———- Forwarded message ———-
>> From: Bill Bailey
>> Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:43 PM
>> Subject: tickets
>> To: Ayrton Camargo
>>
>>
>> Hey Ayrton,
>> No rush on reply but when you get a change tell me how best to work this work.
>> We will buy Partner Early Bird (PEB) for $2,499.00 which includes 3 full conference tickets.
>>
>> This is who we have coming:
>> Bill – 1 of PEB
>> Rob – 2 of PEB
>> Mauro – 3 of PEB
>>
>> Then we already paid for Vincen full conference ticket – $499
>>
>> We will also have:
>> Ellie (Rob’s Wife)
>> Kim (my wife)
>> They will both probably come out on Thursday for couple days to say hi and for Closing Dinners.
>>
>> Then we have:
>> Kathy (accounts manager) who will be working the booth. Her and her Husband Vince will do dinners and maybe some breakfasts and lunches. Both are not that interested in photography and probably wont be watching speakers (accept NN Tera).
>>
>> Then we have:
>> Lisa (office assistant) who will also be working booth on and off. Both her and her Husband John will do the dinners as well and breakfasts.
>>
>> So for booth in total we have:
>> Me
>> Rob
>> Mauro
>> Vincen
>> Lisa – (not IVRPA member)
>> Kathy – (not IVRPA member)
>>
>> and we have partials:
>> Kim – (not IVRPA member)
>> Ellie – (not IVRPA member)
>> Vince – (not IVRPA member)
>> John – (not IVRPA member)
>>
>> Since this is members only I assume we must pay IVRPA membership fees for everyone for the one event. Expenses are piling up. We are paying both Vincen and Mauro $1000 ea for helping us at the booth. Plus the entire office gets paid for the whole week plus travel plus per diem and we will also be buying hotel tickets for everyone above. Now we also need to factor in and buy conference tickets. Can you tell me how best to do this?
>>
>>
>> From the choices in TicketBud looks like $499×6 ($2,994) plus IVRPA membership $25×6 ($150) for total $3144. Is this correct?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Bill
>>
>> ps – In addition we also have John Borden (presenter of NN Tera) and his wife Joanne.
>>
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>> Bill Bailey L.L.C. | Nodal Ninja | iStar
>> 3454 N. San Marcos Pl. #9, Chandler, AZ 85225
>> P: 480-659-9899 8am-12pm M-T-Th-F (MST)| F: 480-452-0452
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> —
> Jürgen Schrader
> President of the IVRPA
>
> Pütrichstr. 3a
> D-85293 Reichertshausen
> phone: +49-8441-794704
> mobile: +971-52-6395420
>
> ============================
>
> http://www.bavaria360.de
>

Then, just one hour after Bill Bailey had accepted my apology he sent the following message:

To the IVRPA Board of Directors and a few other notables in Bcc,

It comes with a heavy heart we at Nodal Ninja have made the difficult decision not to participate or attend this years conference in Las Vegas. This was extremely difficult decision to make especially after many trips to Vegas and a good amount of time and money spent helping to organize the event . We’re proud however to see that the ball is now rolling on it’s own and billing up to be another stand out event.

I apologise for the late decision after just purchasing sponsor tickets ($2499) and would ask IVRPA to promptly refund this money.
Due to our non-participation we must also pull back on prizes and gift certificates we previously spoke of. This also means John Borden of Peace River Studios will not be presenting the NN Tera.

I will not go into specifics why we had to make this decision but we feel it is best for our company. We sincerely wish the IVRPA success in Vegas especially with the notable speakers already lined up.

Best regards,
Bill Bailey

Bill Bailey L.L.C. | Nodal Ninja | iStar
3454 N. San Marcos Pl. #9, Chandler, AZ 85225
P: 480-659-9899 8am-12pm M-T-Th-F (MST)| F: 480-452-0452

There is a lot more to be discovered about the Las Vegas conference. If someone wants to get into it, you are welcome.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Bill is not alone in his opinion, many members and sponsors, incl me, share the same feeling about the current president. Bill just happens to be a generally super nice and easy-going person, and it takes quite a bit of work to offend him. still, it has been accomplished. it even came up in the lengthy FB discussion. I will most likely follow Bill’s footsteps since I can’t recommend being an IVRPA member to anybody anymore as a current sponsor, with the current “leadership” in place.

I’m missing some basic logic here.
The IVRPA never was, is not, and cannot be run by a single person.
If I or any other President had done anything so terribly wrong that would require to move him out of office, don’t you think that, above all, the other board members would know this and would not hesitate to take measures?

We all want change. But concerned members will look at facts first and may consider if in 2019 shouting at Board members from the sideline and joining a pitchfork parade because issues caused by previous Boards and their Presidents are yet not fixed, is the right approach.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Loren Price wrote:

What exactly did you say to Bill to cause him to abandon the group? Whatever it was, it didn’t sit well with him.

This is not a good thing to have sponsors dropping their support because of something that a BoD member said to them.

What makes you believe that Bill Bailey’s disapproval of the association is because I have said anything to him?

The last time we were in direct touch was before the Belfast conference when I kindly invited him to be a sponsor at the conference, which they refused.

If anyone cares to learn about the facts, we can provide all communication of recent years.

To me it seems he’s been listening to obscure sources, because besides a vague statement and a reference to allegations Bill Bailey doesn’t provide anything tangible:

I think it’s time to call early elections and for you to step aside. This is not good. There are too many negative things that have come from this BoD. We need to restart the BoD with a clean slate. The sooner, the better.

Think agin. Has the negativity come from this BoD? Or rather from the people this board has removed (for a reason)?

You had approached us because you were concerned because people have spread a lot of rumor and allegations against the current board and our activities. We provided you detailed financial information and invited you to our board meetings where you told us that you didn’t find evidence to prove the allegations and that you were happy to find an active board (please correct me if I misinterpreted your words).

So if you really want to put some energy into the association, help us to find a concept that meets current market demands as the message Bill Bailey has sent is pretty clear: a business model that solely embraces 360 degree DSLR photography is not sustainable. And adding a bit of 360 video these days by far is not enough.

Please let me know if you are planning to attend the next meeting which will be held on Oct. 18th.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Loren Price wrote:

I never received it.

That’s weird as all our mailing issues are definitely solved now.
Would you mind to check spam and junk folders?
I only yesterday learned that in gmail these are not the same.

We will call you for the meeting then, thank you!

[Jürgen Schrader]

Loren Price wrote:

When’s the next BoD meeting and how can I attend?

The next meeting is Friday, Oct. 4th, 17:OO UTC and will be held on Sykpe.
We sent you an invitation on the 2nd and today asked for confirmation, but got no reply.
If you want to attend, please provide your Skype ID in time.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Loren Price wrote:

When will you have a Balance Sheet for 2019 that includes all the bank accounts?

Here’s what I got from the treasurer:
Treasury Account Balance Updates for Sept 30th 2019
Paypal $28,836.39
Bank of America Checking Account: $49,182.89
Bank of America Saving Account: $30,026.91
Total Money Available for IVRPA $108,046.19

[Jürgen Schrader]

Luc Villeneuve wrote:

Jürgen Schrader wrote:

1) The numbers are public

There is obviously some efforts to put numbers online. Unfortunately these numbers are not complete.

1. Where are the numbers for Vienna 2017?
2. How much cost the big sign on the stage of the conference auditorium?
3. How much cost the musicians for the opening and closing ceremony?

Thank you for your answer,

Currently a full report for the 2017 conference should be in the making.
I will see if someone can retrieve these specific numbers in advance.

[Jürgen Schrader]

The last post that came from you was about a BoD meeting scheduled for 9/20 that you invited me to without any instructions of how to join. You mentioned that you weren’t optimistic that there will be enough BoD members to have a meeting. I replied back to you with questions as to how to connect so that I could attend. I also tried several times to contact you on 9/20.

I’m sorry for causing a misunderstanding. I thought it was clear what a Skype meeting means.
Next time I’ll be more precise.

In reviewing the most current statement Jan.-Aug. 2019, it looks like there was a <$7,282.58> loss that includes $20,688.27 in meals, $14,764.70 for video equipment, and $13,846.68 for rent. I thought the group had purchased video equipment for Vienna. What happened to that equipment?

We told you that these numbers were preliminary and would need revision through the treasurer and probably need adjustments in labeling. I can’timagine we declared any losses, which would be expenses without receipt or invoice. I suggest to wait for the final report and then discuss facts and use precise terms.

I’d also like to better understand the role the group plays with the conference in regards to speakers, meals, space, organizing. What are the guidelines for everyone?

Sure, we’re happy to answer all your questions in a direct conversation as it would take too much time to write it all down.

When will you have a Balance Sheet for 2019 that includes all the bank accounts?

I will ask the treasurer to produce such a sheet of the current status if that’s what you are asking for.

I’ll continue to communicate thru this forum vs. email since I can see that this is getting thru. When’s the next BoD meeting and how can I attend?

I promise to let you know with more time in advance than last time.

[Jürgen Schrader]

I’m posting this in the name of our member Jason LaVantura who had a technical diffculty with our forum to post this. We will look into the issue, but meanwhile this might be helpful.

Hello friend and IVRPA associates. Seeing the reference about Scott Witte and the link above Joergen really brings about a trip down memory lane! I’m not sure if anyone back here remembers or not, but Scott and I did a webinar together about this. We rallied the RTV troops and encouraged those in our photography network to make a donation to help stop this from spreading. Unfortunately, it could not be stopped and (as I have found) it is very true. After all these years it is still happening throughout the USA. I never thought in a million years it would find its way to me, but as luck would have it, it did.

RTV has been going through a long and painstaking process over the last two years to make sure that the users of our virtual tour software are FULLY protected from this. It was not an easy task but I’m happy to state that we have settled the matter. Our licensing information is on the bottom of our home page in small font. If you like you can read more about said matters here – https://casetext.com/case/tour-tech-software-inc-v-rtv-inc

Because RTV offers both a private labeled virtual tour hosting platform and performs national photography services for many large hotel brands, apartments, and medical facilities it was vital for us to get adequate licensing to not only cover new and existing photographers but to also cover each and every virtual tour production that we create for our national photography clients.

To my knowledge, we are the first and only virtual tour hosting platform to have virtual tour patent protection and licensing spread to new and existing photographers. I’m sure there will be many more as time goes on, but at least for RTV the issue is behind us. If anyone has any questions please feel free to give me a call 231-932-1586.

Should any of you out there currently using the RTV system get a letter like this simply reply and let them know that you are using RTV. Have them refer to the licensing tag on the bottom of our website. Because we allow our photographers to private label our virtual tour hosting system, Mr. Wilson and his team will likely not be able to tell that you are using our virtual tour software. It has come up a couple times now, and we can give you a stock letter to send to them if you need it.

Blue Skies,

Jason

[Jürgen Schrader]

1) What’s the status of the group financially?
2) Who is still on the BoD?
3) What’s the status of Florian.

1) The numbers are public and after your inquiry on Sept 14th we sent you several documents on Sept 15th with the most detailed reports currently available, offering you other information upon specific request. You never got back to us.

2) It’s all in the statement at the top. What makes you believe that this is no longer valid?

3) This information also was detailed to you on Sept. 15th and will be published to the members with other information in the next newsletter which we are currently preparing.

Also, quit stonewalling us.

Please explain.

I’ve tried to reach out to you several times on your ivrpa.org account and they are bouncing back now.

This morning we discovered an error in our Gmail system that had caused all incoming mail over the weekend to bounce, probably even earlier. Meanwhile the error could be fixed. We apologize for the inconvenience.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Truth is a mighty word and is often abused.

I don’t think I’m in a position where I have the authority to determine what is truth and what is not.
Maybe we get somewhere if we look at facts and at the same time try to avoid pejorative and aggressive language.

What is it that you want to tell us, and why would I want to hide something?

[Jürgen Schrader]

Our former President Keith Martin had initiated this “manipulation” because we had received an e-mail from Luc Villeneuve on Nov. 16th 2018 where he complained that he was not able to post his candidate statement in the forum.

Upon research we could not find a technical or any other reason that might have caused the issue and subsequently Keith posted the statement for Luc.

In order to avoid any hindrance of other possible candidates it was decided and published that the period to post a candidate statement was extended from Nov. 17th 2018 to Nov. 21st 2018.

Under this aspect the attributions and implied allegations are totally unacceptable and sharply rejected.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Thank you for the reminder.
I can confirm that you have subscribed to the newsletter.
The newsletter was sent to the email you’ve registered with.
If you want us to resend it, please write to info@ivrpa.org with the address you want us to send it to.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Our last conference was in Belfast, not in Vienna.
I agree, there should be a similar report for Vienna, I will enquire why there isn’t.
Of course will there be an annual report for 2018, I will enquire when we will get it.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Being open does not mean we have to be everywhere and respond to everything on the internet.

If someone has a question on a certain topic or wants to make a specific suggestion people can reach out to us through email at any time and will get a fast response.

If you are concerned about the financial status of the association you will find all budget reports online in our members section (please point us to what you think are “melting assets”). If you are missing a specific detail or want clarification on a specific topic, please send an email.

For your (yes, especially YOUR) convenience we even have built a detailed budget report for the last conference which will be sent to members with the next newsletter.

We’re also looking forward to generate detailed annual reports from recent numbers, easily readable for those who are not experts on accounting matters.

[Jürgen Schrader]

There are still a lot of fixes needed in the membership system. One of which is that occsionally names to not appear in the members search. We aplogize for the inconvenience.

The team currently working on the overhaul has told us that all issues should be solved by the end of the month.

If nevertheless any issues occur, please write to info@ivrpa.org to bring it fastest to our attention.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Jürgen Schrader]

The good reason is that we have learned that things are getting done faster when we protect the people we pay to work for us against the distractions from outside.

When they are finished we will present a list with the changes and fixes. If by then you are still not satisfied we may continune the discussion.

Thank you for your understanding.

[Jürgen Schrader]

The list hasn’t changed since our statement and is up to date.

[Jürgen Schrader]

All videos were recorded, and as long as there aren’t any privacy or other restrictions to prohibit this, they will be made available to the members without charge six months after the conference.

[Jürgen Schrader]

You have registered as an associate member.
Hence you only see options for associate members.
Associate members only can purchase discounted tickets when they provide evidence they are working in a school environment.

The correct procedure for you would be to cancel your associate membership and then register as a pro member, exactly as given in the instructions above.

The treasurer will track your payments and reimburse you in case there are any excess payments made.

Should you further have troubles please write to info@ivrpa.org and make sure to monitor your email infolder and spamfolder.

[Jürgen Schrader]

An email was sent to the address you signed your post with on Sat. Feb. 16th

Dear George,

thank you for your interest in the 2019 Belfast conference.

The discounted Early Bird tickets are only available to our Pro members and eligible associate members.
If you feel that you have registered with the wrong membership, you can easily cancel your subscription and create a new appropriate membership account.

To do so, please log in to the website with your account, in the top menu click “About”, on the side menu click “Join IVRPA”, in the blue bar find the link to your account info where you then can cancel your subscription at the bottom. Probably THIS LINK also will take you directly there once you’re logged in.

After that you can create a Professional Membership account from which you will be able to see the discounted tickets as long as they are available.

For your wife you can purchase a spouse ticket hat will allow her access to our social events but not the main conference.
To get full conference access she can purchase a non members ticket or become a member again and enjoy the benefit of reduced rates.

I sincerely apologize for the ticket-email that wasn’t working.

We’re looking forward to meet you in Belfast.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Now we are talking :-)

But if you want to create an atmosphere, rather than showing some content people need to follow, wouldn’t it be sufficient to show still images, or is video mandatory.

In the first case you’d save a lot of cost and will gain superb quality.

And yes, you even could use Gopros.
For stitching look at Mistika VR, or if it’s not excessive rather find someone to do it for you. Spoiler: Expect a steep learning curve.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Let’s try a different approach.
Firt specify what you want to capture and the horizontal and vertical field of view.

Cropping top and bottom from a spherical projection won’t cost you anything as you can’t show that anyway. But if you want to reamove part of the horizontal 360 degrees, then of course your resoloution will be less. Current off the shelf spherical cameras hav up to 11k on the horizontal view.

But if you just want to capture an extended field of view you also cold use any 8k Red or two of them or any other array of 4k cameras.

But again, this all depends on the scope of what you want to capture and/or to show.

[Jürgen Schrader]

With “panoramic” you mean cylindrical projection?

What field of view do you want to capture? 360 degrees?

Afaik there are no such cameras anyway and despite having to crop upper and lower parts, cameras that capture the full sphere are your best bet.

Depending on your ambitions for the project there might be a chance someone has or can build a camera array that will cover a circle for a cylindrical projection, but in that case you’d also have to learn to stitch the footage or find someone to do that for you.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Hey Lew,
I think that the tour browser and automatic linking are quite essential to build tours eoconomically. Once you get used to it there is no way back.
Download the trial and see how far you can get. They also haven an excellent support forum.
BTW IVRPA pro members will get a discount from most of our sponsors as well.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Mind that PanoVR also has changed a LOT with entirely new GUI and improved functionality.
Depending on what you are aiming at, this is the most versatile tour builder with a GUI that will easily beat anything else on the market.
The goof news is, they even have improved the brilliant way to edit nadirs and any other portion of the panorama in that it is converted into a cube-tile, opened in photoshop and after editing automatically patched into the original panorama.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Well, if you already have used 3D Vista, what hinders you to check out if the current version matches your needs?
The software that certainly will do what you need is the latest version on Pano2VR.
There will be a learning curve, but where does one get a free lunch these days?

[Jürgen Schrader]

Hello Siddharth,
These two heads have nothing in common other that one can shoot spherical panoramas with them.
The NN6 is more versatile as one can use almost any lens with it up to 200mm and also shoot multirow panoramas.
The big drawback is that it is heavy and bulky and not ideal for use on poles.

Peter often shoots his little planets from poles and I certainly would use a ring solution for that like the RR1.

With the 8mm Samyang one shoots just four around. No need to tilt up as the full sphere is covered even with the lens straight.
For other lenses this may not apply, but also will need more shots (like 6 around with 8-15 set at 12mm and tilted up).

There is no universal panohead that fits all needs. To cover it all one needs more than one.

To start with, an 8mm Samyang with ring solution is perfect and one can’t go wrong.

[Jürgen Schrader]

Hello Siddharth,
These two heads have nothing in common other that one can shoot spherical panoramas with them.
The NN6 is more versatile as one can use almost any lens with it up to 200mm and also shoot multirow panoramas.
The big drawback is that it is heavy and bulky and not ideal for use on poles.

Peter often shoots his little planets from poles and I certainly would use a ring solution for that like the RR1.

With the 8mm Samyang one shoots just four around. No need to tilt up as the full sphere is covered even with the lens straight.
For other lenses this may not apply, but also will need more shots (like 6 around with 8-15 set at 12mm and tilted up).

There is no universal panohead that fits all needs. To cover it all one needs more than one.

To start with, an 8mm Samyang with ring solution is perfect and one can’t go wrong.

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